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Offline Stephen McMullan

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Sentinel review
« on: February 01, 2012, 08:48:16 AM »
Jeez, I think I'd almost rather talk about your Sentinel Tom.....almost  ::)

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 09:17:50 AM »
Well Stephen,

talking of The Sentinel.....heres some interesting reading:

http://www.nigelhewitt.co.uk/diving/sentinel/index.html
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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 09:28:43 AM »
Cheers Peter. I used to read all of Nigel's articles. They're very good. I hadn't seen this one. Thanks.

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 08:58:35 PM »
Hi Tom you are most definitely  punching the hrs since Christmas. I am glad you and Peter are enjoying your Sentinel and as Tom says while not knowing the unit I am not knocking it, But from Nigel's perspective it seems not to be compatible . Reading the article by Nigel he appears to be trying to reinvent it. Having bought the rEvo myself I am curious as to why he choose the Sentinel over the rEvo as it has addressed most of his quibbles by design. In fresh water I require no weight added to get away in a 5mm neoprene suit. all other points with the exception of flood recovery and Bov have been dealt with on the rEvo, mouth piece, easily stage attachments,  air calibration supplied clips for torch or suit bottle to its body etc. A Bov and triple manual add valve can be added whilst still keeping it under the cost of sentinel ?.

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 09:32:23 PM »
Hi oakridge,
I bought my Sentinel second hand so the rEVO def seems to be getting good reviews, I am using 4kgk in weight in fresh water with a Dry suit, and in sea water 6kg This is with a 11ltr ali - but I can offload this and still be ok, (I could prob dump a small bit more - esp in fresh water but still getting comfortable on it)

Tom

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 12:45:20 AM »
Thanks Chris
mmm Stephen - what do I say, I love the unit and so far with 27 hours on it since the middle of December it has never let me down - so I will give it the benefit, sometimes you should only run down something when you have actually tried it on for size. I have never been one who condems something until trying it - some times at my loss others to my gain - I do hope that this one is to my Gain, but sure if it is not - it is not. At the present though time it is to my Gain.

Peter, I read the article - its quiet good, My unit is using the Travel frame its a tad different in some ways, some of the features I would agree with though but like everything - if something is to be perfect, sure we would have to be involved in the design. I had Kent tooling cylinder mounts on it for quick release, but I have actually removed them and replaced with one original strap and a cam band - as I would agree that the straps would slip - it was a silly design - the cam band works wonders - why did you change from the kent quick releases, cause I bought 3 X 3ltr cylinders for going away and wasnt prepared to pay for the other attachments, they seem way over priced.

The foot on mine is different than the one here, but I am thinking of getting a cage made up for the bottom, to allow me to insert a 2ltr for suit inflation - this will also lift it up a tad for ease of donning, although I find it quiet manageable.
I also dont need the counter weights with my system, so far my trim is good so I am happy there.
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Best regards

Tom

Sorry Tom. I'm just messing with ya. I've seen Stephen, Pat, Barry and Rich Stevenson all diving on Sentinels in the past. Yep they've broken on occasion but so have Classics, Visions, Megs and rEvos of the folks i've dived with. My own threw a wobbler last Oct up in Scapa.

As I mentioned I like Nigel's articles but I believe he is a retired engineer with time on his hands and I'm pretty sure he would customise and seek to improve pretty much any rebreather that took his fancy. However the article does read a tad critical.

Interesting read all the same.

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 09:31:14 AM »
Well Stephen, thanks for the post.



I have now been diving the Sentinel since Aug 11. My interest in this unit was ignited when I finished off my MOD 2 in Malta with Paul Toomer and Al Wright in March 10. The main attraction being the Work Of Breathing and the chest free area.

From memory, the Inspo had breakthrough after 20 mins @ 11 bar, whereas the Sentinel had breakthrough @ 120 mins @ 11 bar.....some serious CO2 removal.

At that time doing 100m + diving was just for “others”, however  I thought to myself that if the Sentinel was that efficient at the deeper depths, it would be every bit, if not more efficient at the shallower depths at CO2 removal from the breathing loop. (In the meantime I now have also become “ one of the “others”, as it’s just a natural progression)

Since that time, I have not come across anything else as efficient at removing CO2 from the breathing loop. (Before anybody clobbers me....this is only my own findings to date and I would welcome any additional information to the contrary)

I have little fear of contradiction in saying that you could probably count on one hand, the number of people on the planet whot know the Sentinel as well as Al Wright and Paul Toomer and I was fortunate to be able to listen to their passion for this unit.
 
Anyway, I was even more fortunate to get my hands on a great second hand unit, number 23. I did the Mod 1 with Paul Toomer in Vobster in Oct 11, sitting in with Jason Selway (Ex Sentinel) and Andy Lepine who were doing MOD 1 on The JJ.

The handset is similar to the Vr3, it’s so easy to do things on it................. Anything you want to do on it is similar to driving from Dundalk to Newry via West Cork......yes...... you get there eventually..... That was my biggest problem............ I now realise if I had spent more time in the pool that in the sea, life would have been a hell of a lot  easier for me.

Looking at what the lads were at on the JJ and been well used to the Inspo, all that I seen the lads do on the JJ Crossover was really simple and easy to understand. The similarity in the two units was unreal. Dave Thompson has really just reinvented the Inspo, with some really powerful bolt ons. 

In comparison to the Inspo, VR have completely reinvented CCRB, with some real tasty ideas.

The BOV is now not as bad as it first was, now that I am getting used to it, as it felt like carrying a shot weight suspended from my jaw. I suspect that my jaw has now found muscles that my brain never knew existed and hence the jaw ache is getting less, although I still resemble a cow chewing its cud.

If there’s an Achilles heel with the Sentinel, it surely must be the High Pressure digital sensors and the Tempstick. I know of at least a dozen Sentinel divers who have had this problem, including yours truly. Apart from that nothing else to date.

The one thing that I have noticed is that its hard to get info on Sentinel problems. I thank Pat Coughlan, Barry McGill, Andy Gillespie and Jay Selway for the info when I first got the unit and helping me with my teething problems, however all in all there’s just not as much info out there as say for the Inspo.

One thing is sure, I have no regrets getting my hands on my new toy. 

The more I dive it the more I like / love it. Back to Malta and  PVT in March for more info on it.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 09:57:39 AM by Peter McCamley »
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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 09:53:51 AM »
Nice post Peter, great to hear the unit is going for well for you!
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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 10:17:17 AM »
Thanks for sharing Peter always inserting to hear who have clocked up some time on two units compare them.

Just out of interest does anyone know what time/bar does the JJ and kiss break through at??? 

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 01:21:47 PM »
Excellent to hear Peter

I was having that conversation briefly about the Sentinel with Mathew, although I was / am not really too concerned at the scrubber time - I did think it was alot more that he did at 70m - if I recall from reading the manual. I cant specifically remember it though and have not had a chance to look it up since the weekend.

I also love the unit - and hope that I dont have any problems with it - the tempstick, is / were the probs due to the cable, have u got the unit upgraded etc... I do have to double check this cable as sometimes it likes to find its way up by the CO2 filter!

Tom

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 01:28:54 PM »
From memory, the Inspo had breakthrough after 20 mins @ 11 bar, whereas the Sentinel had breakthrough @ 120 mins @ 11 bar.....some serious CO2 removal.
Just remember those numbers for the Inspo is under high load test conditions with a very high breathing rate in very cold water. There have been many many dives done in excess of 100m where the bottom time was in excess of 20mins without incident. Might have done one or two myself  ::)

However I accept your point the Sentinel has more scrubber duration....no argument there.

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 02:53:41 PM »
The probems with the High Pressure Sensors is apparantly something to do with the design. For £1800 its possible to upgrade to the Opticon System..... a totally wireless version......however the flaw has also appeared in the Opticon update, which is rather unplesant for those that spent hard earned dosh hoping to move on to bigger and better things.

I did not go for the Opticon and am very content with what I have.

Since the launch of the Opticon, there has been a further upgrade to rectify the HP Sensor / Tempstick problems..

Tim at VR told me that the problem is now 100% sorted.

One of the lads who I dive with, is diving a new Sentinel with Opticon. Just once it went outside the warranty, it also had s Sensor / Tempstick failure. Phil Short rang him immediately and infromed him that there was more problems that would be expected in this area, however they were repairing all units it as it happend free of charge. My mate had nothing to pay.

From memory, the breathing rates are calculatd at a RMV of 40 litres a minute @ 4 degrees........which apparantly is something similar to the same RMV as a pedoefile in a sweet shop!
« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 03:07:55 PM by Peter McCamley »
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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 03:22:50 PM »
I have a lot of respect for Gurr. He's constantly inventing and innovating. However it does lead to a bit of a "bleeding edge" situation in my opinion. I've no doubt that the products are technically superior but they are fickle at times at least to me, at a distance. I know APD get a certain amount of criticism for not releasing major product upgrades frequently enough but it doesn't cause me a problem. Boring and reliable are good, excitement at depth as high tech gear goes fizzz I can do without. Mind you thats not to say that APD haven't had problems in the past 1997 through to 2003 and perhaps beyond. Every new rebreather has to deal with a settling in period I believe which will take years. Sentinel is not that long out so of course there is gonna be teething trouble. When it reaches maturity it will be a great device.

Yeah RMV of 40lpm, 4degC, 40m depth and a CO2 production rate of 1.6lpm sounds about right Peter.


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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 07:38:21 PM »
Hi oakridge,
I bought my Sentinel second hand so the rEVO def seems to be getting good reviews, I am using 4kgk in weight in fresh water with a Dry suit, and in sea water 6kg This is with a 11ltr ali - but I can offload this and still be ok, (I could prob dump a small bit more - esp in fresh water but still getting comfortable on it)

Tom


Stay out of the freshwater Tom  :sarcasm:

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Re: Sentinel review
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 08:00:27 PM »
Yep I intend to as much as possible Ken, but I cant let my gills dry out either so need to get into the fresh water occasionally!

Tom

 

     
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