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Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« on: January 19, 2008, 06:06:02 PM »
Hi Guys,

I'm attending cave training on September. Would anybody else be interested? The class starts from scratch (cavern) with aim to get Full cave. There is no deco/trimix/scooter involved in this training. Single stage, restrictions and complex navigation, jumps and "T"s will of course be part of that training.

The caves are in the area of Valstagna, the closest biggest city is Bassano del Grappa north east of Italy in the Alps area known as the Dolomites. You can access from Austria from Bolzano A22 and then in Trento follow State road 47 di Trento. Fly to Verona or Venice airports. There is a wide range of accomodation and restaurants.

The caves and maps:

Fontanazzi:
http://www.gggmodon.it/grotte-3.html
http://www.nick-toussaint.com/Fontanazzi.html

Elefante Bianco:
http://Http://www.gggmodon.it/subiolo-1.html#ss1.1

Oliero -Cogol dei Veci:
http://www.gggmodon.it/oliero-3.html

Oliero - Cogol dei Siori:
http://www.gggmodon.it/oliero-2.html

http://www.plongeesout.com/ > Sites plongée > Etranger


However IANTD certificate accordingly to performance.
30% deposit ->> 315 Euros is required for holding the spot.

The instructor is Nick Toussaint. You can find more on his website http://www.nick-toussaint.com

Send me a PM if you are interested.

Regards,
Frank
« Last Edit: January 20, 2008, 05:37:14 PM by Frank »

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 08:57:31 PM »
Hi Frank,

I'm just curious as you dive DIR style why you didn't opt for GUE cave training?

Mark

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 11:36:15 AM »
Hi Mark,

Nick is former GUE Instructor. So I knew it will be "GUE" training anyway just the certification will be from IANTD. To be honest the plastic card is something I don't really need. The experience is what I'm looking for. All the info about training or equipment required that all can be found on Nick's website. Can only say this is DIR style course anyway. :-)

I will be doing another GUE course in May.

Regards,
Frank

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Hi Frank,

I'm just curious as you dive DIR style why you didn't opt for GUE cave training?

Mark

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 11:48:01 AM »
Hi Frank:
Are you planning to dive mainly in Ireland when you have completed your cave training or abroad?  Reason I ask is that alot of Irish/UK cave diving is done with sidemounts due to the topography of the caves, and twinsets can be impracticale (especially for transporting to and from sites).  I assume since its GUE style training, that siding wont be demonstrated? (correct me if Im wrong)
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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 12:09:19 PM »
One never knows. It is new area for me and time will show up. Most of the cave divers I know are based in European countries. Expeditions are being organized every year to dive caves in Italy and French. There are nice caves in Hungary and Romania as well. Florida and Mexico will be my point of interest too.

I don't know anybody who is diving caves in Ireland nor UK. Sure if there is something interesting I wouldn't mind seeing local caves as well.

Frank


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Hi Frank:
Are you planning to dive mainly in Ireland when you have completed your cave training or abroad?  Reason I ask is that alot of Irish/UK cave diving is done with sidemounts due to the topography of the caves, and twinsets can be impracticale (especially for transporting to and from sites).  I assume since its GUE style training, that siding wont be demonstrated? (correct me if Im wrong)

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 12:18:07 PM »
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I don't know anybody who is diving caves in Ireland nor UK. Sure if there is something interesting I wouldn't mind seeing local caves as well.


Mark, your diving caves here arnt you? There is also a guy here in cork I know who goes up the country diving caves too. So I think there is a few around.

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2008, 01:42:50 PM »
I started caving only 2 years ago and mainly dive in Mayo, and I know of a good few others (Mark being one, and more experienced in the field) who have all trained with Martyn Farr.  Once I complete my full cave this year, I plan to do some of the systems abroad, preferably with my Meg, so the CCR full cave is on my list too.  Good luck with the course.
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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2008, 02:50:46 PM »
Hi Frank,

I thought Nick might have been a GUE instructor after looking at his website. I was just curious.. Your 100% right with regard to training its very important to seek out intructors with experience in the type of diving you see yourself doing. The instructor will always make or break a worthwhile course.

I'll echo what Graham has already said in that the majority of the caves here in Ireland are not suitable to a DIR type approach. Sidemount diving is generally the norm. These days good conditions are so rare here at home that my focus is firmly on my rb at the moment. As far as I'm aware there hasn't been any significant exploration in Ireland since April last. I much prefer the type of caves that Frank will be diving. Elefante Bianco has been on my hit list for a couple years now!

Mark

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 10:45:52 PM »
Hi Frank,
It seems that there are good few cave divers around here in Ireland but only very few who actually do any diving in Ireland (which is really a shame since that side of Ireland seems to be still mainly undiscovered despite continuous efforts of few stubborn foreigners to change it)
But from my little experience if you are passionate about cave diving and exploring places never visited before you will find Ireland as a Cave Diving Heaven ( I?ve got the feeling that with this statement  I?ve just open Pandora?s box?what to do, alea iacta est?)
And I strongly believe that quite a bit of it can be done with back mounted configuration. First of all once you?re come back from Italy you should definitely visit Hell Complex in co. Clare. Most parts of Hell complex at Doolin Point are twinset accessible and constitute one of the best cavern diving in Europe. Knowing the fact that you are in underwater photography you?ll find this place truly amazing? If you are more into the exploration all I can say is that this place has still lot of secrets to reveal : last June and July few weekends spent there resulted in 250m of new passages surveyed and discovery of long seek connection between Reef Caves complex and Hell complex. And who knows what lies behind Merrow?s Mirth or 935m point in Mermaid?s Hole ( here however side mounted 12?s or 15?s are must).There are few exciting projects around the country  - guys on rebreathers are exploring underground river upstream from Pollloughabo in Gort Lowlands, downstream you?ve got Dark Shamrock Travers for over 800m (and possibly back as you won?t be able to get out through letter box squeeze in Pollbehan with twinset but?you never know :D ); not far from that you have another marvellous underground river traverse from  Cannahowna River cave to The Churn ? one of the collapsed doolins and the explorations upstream from it is still in its infancy. Aille River and Coole River could be another example for exciting explorations possible with back mounted configuration. Big resurgences of Tipperary are still waiting for its? conqueror?and FRANKLY saying you have much bigger chances to be the one than the other lads on this forum since from statistical point of view most of the  prominent explorers in Irish cave diving were foreigners... :rolleyes:  No offence lads?
For very wet and windy days you still have third option ? abandoned and now flooded mines. Good few of them in Tipperary, Cork, Waterford and Wicklow (this is where I?ve been but obviously there must be much more waiting to be ?re-discovered? as dive sites) with flooded levels up to 60m of depth. My buddy Tom Malone and me  started exploring these sites with side mounted sevens then we moved to twelves only to discover finally that some of them like Coughlan Mine are just made for big twinset (thanks Graham!) and stages.
Ok. The vis is often far from perfect (to say at least), agreed. It?s neither Florida nor Mexico. But having said that there are exceptions as well - last year we enjoyed 40m visibility in Noxon Park Mine - not bad at all I?d say? And all of that without splitting your twinset and mounting the bottles on your hips or under your arms?however if you decide to go this way then (sorry for using this old PADI cliché) ? POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS ;)  And I trully believe in that as I just can?t wait next Friday?

Having said all that I must admit that I'm a bit jealous of your last experience Mark and I'd love to do CCR cave with Rich Stevenson at some stage this year...( parole parole...;)

Artur
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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 11:02:14 PM »
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Hi Frank,
It seems that there are good few cave divers around here in Ireland but only very few who actually do any diving in Ireland (which is really a shame since that side of Ireland seems to be still mainly undiscovered despite continuous efforts of few stubborn foreigners to change it)
But from my little experience if you are passionate about cave diving and exploring places never visited before you will find Ireland as a Cave Diving Heaven ( I’ve got the feeling that with this statement  I’ve just open Pandora’s box…what to do, alea iacta est…)
And I strongly believe that quite a bit of it can be done with back mounted configuration. First of all once you’re come back from Italy you should definitely visit Hell Complex in co. Clare. Most parts of Hell complex at Doolin Point are twinset accessible and constitute one of the best cavern diving in Europe. Knowing the fact that you are in underwater photography you’ll find this place truly amazing… If you are more into the exploration all I can say is that this place has still lot of secrets to reveal : last June and July few weekends spent there resulted in 250m of new passages surveyed and discovery of long seek connection between Reef Caves complex and Hell complex. And who knows what lies behind Merrow’s Mirth or 935m point in Mermaid’s Hole ( here however side mounted 12’s or 15’s are must).There are few exciting projects around the country  - guys on rebreathers are exploring underground river upstream from Pollloughabo in Gort Lowlands, downstream you’ve got Dark Shamrock Travers for over 800m (and possibly back as you won’t be able to get out through letter box squeeze in Pollbehan with twinset but…you never know :D ); not far from that you have another marvellous underground river traverse from  Cannahowna River cave to The Churn – one of the collapsed doolins and the explorations upstream from it is still in its infancy. Aille River and Coole River could be another example for exciting explorations possible with back mounted configuration. Big resurgences of Tipperary are still waiting for its’ conqueror…and FRANKLY saying you have much bigger chances to be the one than the other lads on this forum since from statistical point of view most of the  prominent explorers in Irish cave diving were foreigners... :rolleyes:  No offence lads…
For very wet and windy days you still have third option – abandoned and now flooded mines. Good few of them in Tipperary, Cork, Waterford and Wicklow (this is where I’ve been but obviously there must be much more waiting to be ‘re-discovered’ as dive sites) with flooded levels up to 60m of depth. My buddy Tom Malone and me  started exploring these sites with side mounted sevens then we moved to twelves only to discover finally that some of them like Coughlan Mine are just made for big twinset (thanks Graham!) and stages.
Ok. The vis is often far from perfect (to say at least), agreed. It’s neither Florida nor Mexico. But having said that there are exceptions as well - last year we enjoyed 40m visibility in Noxon Park Mine - not bad at all I’d say… And all of that without splitting your twinset and mounting the bottles on your hips or under your arms…however if you decide to go this way then (sorry for using this old PADI cliché) – POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS ;)  And I trully believe in that as I just can’t wait next Friday…

Having said all that I must admit that I'm a bit jealous of your last experience Mark and I'd love to do CCR cave with Rich Stevenson at some stage this year...( parole parole...;)

Artur
(just another Polish bastard in the country)




Glad the 15's are getting good use!  A big problem in Ireland with both local and are beloved foreign cave divers is lack of communication, unlike other groups, wreck divers and photographers, Myself and a buddy have found it hard to source other divers to dive with and help on exporations, if there was a forum/group setup where ideas and spots could be discused we would find that getting more caves/mines listed would be easier.  Since Im a large gentleman, back mount twins and caves and me will never mix, and for transporting to a site, singles are more managable.  Since Im still not that experienced Id like to dive with more cave divers, as Im heading over to do the full cave with Martyn this year, once thats done I plan alot of pottering in dark, tight places!
Cheers,
Graham

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 11:03:54 PM »
Thanks a lot Artur, I should know that you are better than Google :-)
Would like to see some of the mentioned.
:rolleyes:
Be good,
Frank
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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 09:12:08 PM »
Hi Artur,

Nice bit of info there but do tell me, what mine in Cork did you dive ??? I'm based in Cork and would love to go for a look :)

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 10:49:46 PM »
Hi guys

I'm based here in cave county Clare.
The last 2 summers i have been verry busy exploring the caves around Kinvarra and Gort.
Ther is no isues using backmounted setups in most caves.
The DIR aproche might be an other story.
If any of you are intersted ther is a Irish cave diving forum on cavediver.net.

Cant wait for the rain to stop and explore again.
And meet some more cave divers over here.

Regards

Jim

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 10:56:29 PM »
Nice to hear from you Jim. DIR is backmounted setup too. Perhaps you could introduce those caves a bit more. ;)

Regards,
Frank



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Hi guys

I'm based here in cave county Clare.
The last 2 summers i have been verry busy exploring the caves around Kinvarra and Gort.
Ther is no isues using backmounted setups in most caves.
The DIR aproche might be an other story.
If any of you are intersted ther is a Irish cave diving forum on cavediver.net.

Cant wait for the rain to stop and explore again.
And meet some more cave divers over here.

Regards

Jim

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Re: Sept 16-21 Full Cave Training, Valstagna Italy
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2008, 11:14:35 PM »
Hi Frank

I ment the DIR way of diving might be a bit harder to put in practice due to bad visibility and restrictions.
The bigger caves here in Ireland are not realy an inviting place as regards visibility and garbage ( trees, farming waste, and just about anything some farmers want to get rid of.
But ther is big potential for exploring.
This summer i'l probably pas the 800m mark in Pollloughabo and explore the coole river rising further.
I'd be glad to meet up with anny of you to show you around.

Regards

Jim